Ice Hockey Wiki

Ice Hockey Wiki

As I told you on Wikipedia. The forum is not dead.... just waiting for most like-minded users like you and me. As you have probably noticed, I have attempted to lay some foundation to this thing, and I've observed you for the last month... and you've been doing one hell of a job. Good work. Right now I am doing a lot of work on Wikipedia, trying to get Ontario articles up to snuff (about 200 of them)... and pressure the OHA for league standings... which is unbelievably hard. I am also trying to make sense of Quebec Junior Hockey... and have written a small article on the Coupe Dodge, which at its highest level is the Junior "AA" Quebec Provincial title.

I will try to spend more time here in the coming months... thank you for your contributions thus far. DMighton 13:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm currently rearching Junior B and C Ontario hockey on Wikipedia... microfilms at the library... you know. anyways... I thought I'd point out this website... amazing for full career stats including junior and sometimes minor level... ... DMighton 16:56, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Featured Article

Well... it's been online for a year now.... not bad eh? lol... just thinking... should we get a new featured article? The Fort William North Stars have now been up for a year lol. Any thoughts? PS, I'm also much easier to contact as wikipedia or e-mail. I am neck deep in microfilm... I might start bringing it over hear a bit.... a lot of Jr. A and Jr. B, that is my thing. DMighton 03:39, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

ahhh, a new featured article.... nice :) DMighton 17:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


See Help talk:Contents. Robin Patterson 01:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the kindness Yannz. Actually, the copy-and-paste idea is to create a model for all seasonal articles around here. It's not so much copying Wikipedia as it is showing what I'd like the makeup of seasonal articles to be. I plan on creating articles for every season for every team (and not Wikipedia copies, I'll try to originalize them). Soxrock 02:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


Hey, I commented on the Draft Steal and Draft Bust articles. DMighton 23:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

American College Hockey

I think we should look into integrating this into out wiki.... they are looking dead in the water: DMighton 23:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

They started another Wiki somewhere else and it was better developed.... I linked that to the homepage when we first started here... but it might be dead too. DMighton 23:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I talked to Angela@Wikia.... it's been done. She has also e-mailed everyone at the CHN Wiki and told them where to find us.... hopefully they will come. DMighton 11:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Front page

Sure... redo it if you want.... just as long as it is easy to navigate and people have an idea of the scope of this wiki... I don't mind. DMighton 03:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


Haven't seen you in a bit... you still around? Busy with Christmas? DMighton 23:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to you too! Good luck with the new GF, this is my wife and I's first Christmas ourselves... lol... I'll caretake until you get a PC up and running... ttyl. DMighton 04:00, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if you will read this anytime soon... but someone has "reported a problem" with a page that doesn't appear to exist... any thoughts? I'm a little baffled. DMighton 18:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Good to have you back. I've been focusing mostly on statistics of junior leagues... as you've probably noticed I've added about 2-300 articles purely covering season standings lol. DMighton 18:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Huntsville Havoc Roster Template

Thank you for your interest. I’m planning on making some bios after I get all my season work completed. Right now it is easier to use Hockeydb to see the stats. I have some basic bios for the players that have retired numbers and I may add them soon but the others will have to wait for my season pages to get finished. I think I have about 5 seasons to do and some team pages, then the player pages. They will most likely be made in the late spring or summer months.

Question: Do either of you two (you or DMighton) know anything about the "SIHR - Society for International Hockey Research"? I have thought about joining for there database information but was hoping to get somebody else’s opinion first. DustStorm 18:59, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Main Page

Are you still considering a revamp of the mainpage? I tell you... I look at the Star Trek Wiki -- and really wonder what a little colour would do here. DMighton 19:43, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, when I built the mainpage here, I just copied and manipulated the mainpage of the "Dune Wiki" (forget the URL lol). As to free images, all images of living people on Wikipedia are either on a freesharing license or have no copyright... as long as we credit the author then there is no legal issues. I've been wondering if we should ask Angela from Wikia for some help finding someone who could show us some tricks on doing the frontpage... maybe you should write her? DMighton 12:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I think it is sharp. Keep up the good work. Also, the logo thing -- when I first requested this Wiki I had one... but I couldn't use it because it had a portion of the Wikipedia logo -- which we cannot use. I just imagine something to do with a puck lol. The colours are cool, shades of grey and blue look real cool and the orange offsets it nicely on the dead links. I'd like to see something with the frames... Maybe a black background... I dunno... lol... I must admit, I don't know how to do almost any of this stuff. DMighton 22:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Check this out:


There. DMighton 23:04, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The portal idea is neat. I think it would not be bad. Also, we still need something on the page linking to the fundamentals of the game... a random wiki-er who might want to learn about the game needs that stuff. The background can be any colour because there is no text on it (that I know of) -- go buck wild! DMighton 23:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Color changes

The color changes are looking good in some places. Just let me know when you think you have them set as I will need to changes my colors on some of my tables and charts. Only thing I see right now is the "broken" links are dark red on dark blue or red on dark gray on the main screen. Can that be changed or is that a personal preference that you set yourself? I know I'm new person here and hope you don't mind some "outside" opinions. DustStorm 18:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

For the "broken" links how about a lighter color red (NOT PINK) maybe #FF0033 or #FF0066 or maybe a light purple like #CC66CC, #FF33FF or #FF66FF? Just guesses. DustStorm 18:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Test page

I would sub the CHL logo with Hockey Canada... and the NCAA with USA Hockey... Also... there is no link to the Allan Cup or Senior playdowns in Canada... past that... the portal thing is cool... real cool as far as I can see. DMighton 01:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I think we need a scholastic hockey portal to cover NCAA, NJCAA, CIS, and CCAA... also... I am having problems seeing blue text on the gray background. DMighton 02:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
It looks like you managed to get Canadian and USA junior portals as well as Scholastic on the test page... looks like it works. DMighton 19:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Browser issues

I noticed depending on what browser I use, IE or Firefox, there is a tremendous change in color scheme. Not that much on the main page but on other articles especially ones with tables like some of mine. For example look at 2007-08 Huntsville Havoc Season and scroll down to transactions, in Firefox that looks fine but in IE only half the information is readable. Not a complaint just an observation. DustStorm 16:16, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually the colors are more like they was before you made the changes. I think the articles are easier to view with firefox. DustStorm 00:03, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I use firefox too... the colours are way different.... way way different. And hard to read on firefox... maybe we need to troubleshoot a Wikia person to see about how to make the site more Firefox friendly. DMighton 00:16, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Refreshing the browser did not work. It has to be possible though... DMighton 04:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
To be honest, I've been sitting here for the past two weeks thinking you've just got really bad taste when it comes to revamping this wiki... lol... I was wrong... lol... I looked at the wiki through IE about 3 days ago and was like "Holy Shit!!! So this is what he's been up to!".... it looks really good and if memory alpha can do it (make it work on firefox)... we can to... worse case scenario we ask them to come over and help us... we could also look at the NHL wiki for reference points too (and I think we should be looking into turning them into our NHL Portal if Angela@Wikia will allow us).... DMighton 23:27, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I know for a fact that the guy running the NHL Wiki has "adopted" it... it was virtually abandoned a couple months ago... I wonder how her would feel about joining our motley crue. But yeah, I think we should ask about a merger... we are much broader scope, and I don't think it would hurt them. DMighton
BTW... the place looks kick-ass now. 01:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry but I'm still having different color issues. I am giving you a screenshot that show what I'm trying to talk about. When I'm in IE the table show a white and blue striped table but when looked at with Firefox it is white and a dark gray (I would like to have the white and blue striped table for both). The code is shown below, help me out what am I doing wrong? Article:2007-08 Huntsville Havoc Season
{|class="wikitable" width="100%" border="1" Style="color: black"
|- align="center"  bgcolor="#dddddd" 
! Date
! Player
! Record / Award
|- bgcolor="#eeeeee"
| November 24, 2007
| Justin Keller (@ Columbus)
| Most Points in a game: 6 Justin Keller vs Columbus 11/24/07 †
|- bgcolor="99ccff"
| November 26, 2007
| Justin Keller
| Sherwood Player of the Week (November 18-24, 2007)
|- bgcolor="#eeeeee"
| January 18, 2008 <br />-> ...
| Team Streak
| Most Losses in a season (Streak): 7 (as January 31, 2008) † <br /><small>[League record 9 Pee Dee (2005-06)]</small>
|- bgcolor="99ccff"
| January 10, 2008 <br />-> ...
| Team Streak
| Most Road Losses in a season (Streak): 8 (as January 31, 2008) † <br /><small>[League record 9 Winston-Salem (2004-05)]</small>

Thanks for your help DustStorm 05:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I found a fix (for now) if I put the name of the color in place of the hex then it shows the same in both IE and Firefox. Maybe Firefox reads hex color codes differently than IE? I put a color chart in my sandbox it has all the names and hexadecimal for a "lot" of different colors. Thanks again for your help. DustStorm 16:25, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

NHL Wiki

I was looking over at the NHL Wiki... they have no new edits in the past week... a total of about 6-8 for the last month, all one user... what do you think about us attempting bring them in? It's another 500 pages, and possibly a couple more contributers... DMighton 03:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I am off to work... would you like to ask her? Or should I when I get back later tonight? DMighton 21:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi. It's certainly possible. I suggest you talk to the one user over there and invite them to join you here. Then I can import the content from that one here and redirect the URL to Angela (talk) 01:05, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Merging the NHL Wiki with this one sounds like a great idea to me. It appears somebody already talked to Wikia admins, so you can let them know that I'm on board with the merge. Please let me know anything I can do to help with the process --Thai420Talk to me! 02:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay. I've been away. I'll work on the merge today and leave a note at project:merge. Angela (talk) 20:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I imported the text manually, but there are too many images to this, so one of the engineers needs to do it. TOR is aiming to do that by the end of this week. Angela (talk) 22:03, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


Actually, I kinda liked what we had... but... this is easier to read. Also... what happened to our logo.... is there any way we can get it back instead of Eddie the Eagle? DMighton 02:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Simple, by updates Wiki.png with the image. You'll probably have to alter the skin and add in that file to make it work... I have no idea why it has eddie though... it shouldn't be saved anywhere. DMighton 03:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Hope you don't mind me stepping in, but I was looking at some Wiki stuff and saw that if you are using a "Quartz skin" the filename for the logo would be wiki_wide.png and if you are using any other skin the filename wiki.png. I don't know about the skins you are using but I looked at a file located here ( and there was our title logo. Don't if this helps any just dropping a line on what I saw. DustStorm 15:31, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Den Haag

No, please do step in I need all the help I can get on Europen teams. Great Thanks. DustStorm 20:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Great, thanks, I will be checking that out later. DustStorm 20:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Problem Page

Can you check this article Florida Seals the text of the article starts at the very top of the page before the title banner and I don't know why it also moves the left hand side boxes up over the "The Ice Hockey Wiki" Logo. The only thing I changed in the article was I added the team logo. DustStorm 15:28, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks DustStorm 15:35, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


The change to the common.css file did change all my team, league and player pages. I have a sample of links below. All the info boxes changes position and colors among other changes through out the entire page. I check this out with firefox and IE.

Huntsville Havoc
2007-08 Huntsville Havoc Season
John Gibson

DustStorm 15:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Salut Yann! Thanks for adding the wikitable CSS, it makes the tables on those pages I added a lot nicer. I'll look into what happened to DustStorm's templates. DVasi 21:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for changing things back. I'll look and see if I can find any fixes for the css file also. DustStorm 04:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Quebec City Hockey History

Hi there.

Devan brought me in on this great project.

I was just wondering - do you have some access to Quebec City newspapers on microfilm? My interest is Canadian amateur hockey till 1970 or so. I am missing some info on Quebec City (and the Sagueney) since the Toronto Library does not have newspapers from that area and time frame.


fanofpucksFanofpucks 01:44, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


Merci bien pour ton response. Bonne chance dans les examens.

Je suis ne a Montreal et j'ai demeure pour vignt cinq ans.

The material that I need is from about 1910 or so when the Quebec City Senior League started. Then in the 30's and 40's there were junior and intermediate leagues in Quebec City & area. The Toronto Library has Le Devoir and the Gazette but their coverage of eastern Quebec was sketchy at best.

I also need standings from the Provincial Junior League of the 60`s. For some reason, the Sagueney - Lac St Jean junior league had good coverage in the Gazette. Probably because of the Anglo community at the Alcan plant in Arvida.

fanofpucksFanofpucks 02:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the help with the Western Canada Junior Hockey League article. I will probably become skilled with the Wiki system when a new system is in place. I am only about two generations behind in my computer skills.

Fanofpucks 23:41, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Ice Hockey Player

Thanks for making the changes to the Template. I had been meaning to do it myself but never got to it. Another change I had been plaining on makeing was replacing the heading "Pro Clubs" with "Teams". It is used for retired players and this way you can list other all teams (inculding junior and college) and not just Professional. Some people thing only the NHL is professional, this clears that up a bit. If you dont agree with the change we can do a undo and go back to the way it was before. I just like listing all teams and give them all credit. DustStorm 14:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I got the ft, lbs and such links off , it was a template in a template. So you are wanting a special additional section for just international teams? Can we not just list them under the team section? I'm not up on europen teams and schedules. Every time I look at eurohockey stats I get way confused. I can see adding something for medels in Olympic play. Otherwise you will need to give me a crash course on eurohockey or just map out what you are needing. I'll try my best to understand. DustStorm 15:36, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Moved talk to Template talk:Infobox Ice Hockey Player DustStorm 17:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Change to Monaco skin

What do you think about the change Wikia is making to the upgraded version of the Monaco skin? They will be applying it to all wikis. Do think that will have a big impact to all the changes you have being making? DustStorm 14:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

International Tours

Right now I do not have thes rosters but I can go back and find them.

I suppose the visiting teams are easier than the Canadian teams.

Fanofpucks 18:02, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


Could you e-mail Dave? fanofpucks-at-yahoo-dot-com DMighton 23:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Done --Yannzgob 18:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Canadian towns

Quite a project, this towns idea. Also a very good idea.

One thought if I may. I have put in a lot of just town names in some old leagues (for example OHA Intermediate). If you put the town name in without the province (as simply Arthur rather than Arthur, Ontario) they will link. I might be able to put in some year to year results later and the years that the towns had teams.

Fanofpucks 01:42, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Roster template

Moved discussion to Template talk:Ice hockey team roster. DustStorm 18:43, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


Thank you very much Yannzgob, I was looking forward to being a good contributor to the Ice Hockey Wiki. This includesbringing all the articles that I have created on wikipedia (through my wiki alias [1]) including several articles about and around the ECHL, Las Vegas Wranglers, and Bowling Green Falcons. As well as creating pages for numerous former players/current coaches like Glen Gulutzan and Nick Vitucci. Do you think these numerous articles (no matter how team specific they are) are welcome on the Ice Hockey Wiki? If I me be of any assistance on any projects feel free to let me know what I can do to help. Segelrj 17:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Igor Bondarev or Igor Bonderev

I remember seeing Igor play with the Huntsville Channel Cats. When he played with the Channel Cats his name on his sweater and roster his name was spelled Bonderev. Also when some of the other team in the states. But when he played for Latvia and other European teams they spelled it Bondarev. Don't know why I just know at first it was hard for me to follow him because of the name spellings. Where is it spelled Igor Bondarevs. If you want here is a link to what use to be howesports data that was the offical score keeper at the time Igor played with Huntsville.

Can we keep all AKAs? DustStorm 14:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


Hey Yann, I had a few questions for you. First, I was wondering if roller hockey could/should be in this wiki? While starting some player pages I have noticed that some use to play their summers in Roller Hockey International and other roller hockey leagues. So should we add roller hockey to this wiki or just keep it strictly ice hockey?

Second, I'm planning on making an article for the West Coast Hockey League and while in the first stages I noticed that there use to be a category for WCHL players and it was deleted. Would it be okay to reopen this category? Segelrj 15:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

New Sports templates

Hi Yann - I was checking out some Sports wikis and I just wanted to stop in and say how amazing the place is becoming, especially the stuff HockeyAl has been doing lately. I wanted to ask quickly if there's any interest in having your wiki join up with the unified look the Wikia Sports team is doing on some other new Sports wikis. We're going to be rolling out a sports drive program pretty soon to encourage new people to start Sports wikis, and it'd be great to have this wiki as a featured one since it's so well developed. You can see some of the things we've been doing on the Pro Wrestling wiki as well as Houston Rockets wiki to give you an idea of the new look we're trying to promote for Sports wikis. Let me know what you think! Shawn (talk) 21:13, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

A question

Hi, Yann -- I just posted a question on Devan's talk page that's really meant for both of you. If you have a minute to check it out, I'd be really interested in hearing your thoughts... -- Danny (talk) 01:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

New Portal

Hi, Yann. Can you help me set up a new portal, with similar graphics to your countries. The new one would be "North American minor professional leagues".

ThanksFanofpucks 15:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Yann it looks great,

To make a template llike you have for the countries, can I simply edit one of your country teamplate?

Fanofpucks 19:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


Where you been? Haven't seen you around in a while! DMighton 01:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Been moving to a new apartment with my sweetheart and have had a new job that stole all of my time. I'm now settled in my new place and have an internet access, meaning I'll be more present as of now. I missed editing :)

--Yannzgob 21:48, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


Yann, do you ever get over to the Quebec City library? And does it carry microfilm of Le Soleil? Basically, I need the standings for the Quebec Junior A Hockey League from 78, 79, 80, 81, and 82. I have microfilmed right up until 1977... but Collections Canada doesn't have it for the years I just stated. Would you be willing to get these standings for me? I would truly appreciate it... you don't even have to post them... just e-mail them to me... I have no other way of getting these standings. I hope you can help. DMighton 03:21, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

If you could, it would be much appreciated. Standings from other provinces have been like pulling teeth. The QJAHL has been particularly troublesome... and just when I've found a paper that carries it... Collections Canada is like oops... we don't do that one past 77. DMighton 15:10, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
That was amazing man. The paper actually had more than I thought! I believe their was a 10th season... La Prairie won it and moved on to the Centennial Cup playdowns.... I do believe I saw some playoffs for them in the Toronto Star... but I can't remember. Know any major centres that would have been local to Joliette, La Prairie, and/or Pierrefonds? Montreal or Joliette maybe? Anything that might be covered in your library from that area? Joliette Journal? Joliette Journal l'Action? I don't know any Montreal papers... lol... Journal de Montreal, Gazette, La Presse??
1977-78... that is really unfortunate - the strike thing that is. If you could... maybe it is in another QC-area paper from that era? I don't know the area at all really... last time I was there I was 8 years old... and I didn't read any papers (jk)... Le Journal de Quebec? Quebec Chronicle-Telegram? Maybe?
Either way... you did an outstanding job... thank you for this. And if you get the time to investigate the two missing years... I'd appreciate it. Especially 1978. I'm also missing a few years from the current league... but they are all Montreal area teams... makes it hard to look for them when I don't know the area and Collections Canada has real limitations on good papers available in Quebec. Do you have access to anything Montreal-ways? DMighton 03:43, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
I know what you mean. I was doing microfilms from the Kitchener-Waterloo Record a few months ago and stumbled across articles on the Black Dahlia murder, from that period... also... Charlottetown Citizen and the Thunder Bay newspapers like to do "Women's" sections that are extremely cliche in the 70.... funny thing is... it is the page before sports... so I have to go through it whenever I want a sports page. What shocked me the most was Cold War coverage from the 60's to 80's... they get really intense in any paper.... and WW2 coverage in the KW Record... it was like... "tragedy today, but it was okay because we killed 5000 people".... a lot of propaganda mixed in with the news.
Well, I'd appreciate it if you gave 78 and 82 a shot on different papers... in Quebec... I bet the Journal de Quebec would be key.... 82 is anyone's guess... but if you can find it... and the Montreal newspapers are decent... we are also looking for the Quebec Provincial Jr. A League for: 1989, 1990, and 1994... for an idea of what teams are in it... check this out: ... and believe it or not... those 5 sets of standings and I am historically done with Jr. A hockey in Quebec... only took 3 years. lol.
There is also a minor mystery in my Quebec research. In 1988, what seems to be a Jr. B team called the Black Lake Miners that played in the Centennial Cup playdowns... but I don't know where they played (like what league).... maybe the Montreal Metro League or something? I don't know... I don't expect you to go on a wild goose chase.... but if you are really bored and can find a Thetford Mines-minded paper... maybe you can look into them. I don't have any of their results from the playoffs other than I know they were swept by the CJHL champion. Like I said, not a big deal... but if you get bored. DMighton 05:05, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

A couple of questions from the Community Team

Hi, Thanks for all of your work here on Wikia. We are constantly working to improve our site for users, and would love to get some feedback from you. Below are a couple of questions. If you could answer them here, on my talk page or send me an email with your responses, I would really appreciate it.

  1. Have you ever used our Help pages?
  2. If so, did you find them useful?
  3. How would you suggest improving them?
  4. Have you ever tried to contact Wikia staff for help? 
  5. Did you find the help you needed?

Thank you and happy editing! Sarah (talk 20:56, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

NHL Revolution

So? Where the fuck am I supposed to put it at? I don't need no stankin PC game just to do it. If I want to do it here, then that's will have to do.

X-Master 22:24, December 3, 2009 (UTC)Rocketman2462

This user has been blocked for abusive language and inserting fake articles. We don't need attitudes like this "helping" on this Wiki. DMighton 04:38, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
Ha, that one ban was written in bold in the skies. I find it funny, all he had to do was to politely discuss with me over the reason I clearly provided for the deletion of his unclear thing, a situation in which I'd have gladly encouraged him to simply request his own shiny new blank wiki for his fantasy league to Wikia or another wiki hosting site. That's totally effortless. Funny how some people prefer to waste energies digging themselves their own graves rather than to just calmly talk. Good job on kicking him out. --Yannzgob 05:43, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Boom bam

Salut mon ami.

juste un petit mot en passant dans le coin (non en fait je suis venu pour le mot tout court).

Bon anniversaire à toi.

--TaraO 09:34, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Portal Templates

Would you be in support of moving the portal templates on the bottom of the pages to their talk pages? --Ilamb94 20:41, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't know, are they really so much of a burden at the bottom of the article? Why do you want to move them to the talk pages? I like the colour they add to the article and prefer them there; in addition, it gives them more visibility. They're an underdeveloped aspect of the Wiki that has lesser chances of being picked up and adopted by contributors if they are hidden from sight in the talk page. So I'd vote no on this question. Should a majority of people prefer them on the talk page however, feel free to move them. --Yannzgob 22:17, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

I think the majority of people on here that I talked to would not mind if they were moved. But I respect your opinion on the matter and we will just keep it how it is. --Ilamb94 22:41, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Byron Billett has been corrected. HockeyAl

Major Clean Up

How can I help with the clean up? --Ilamb94 22:48, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

What is the new guide line for category's? It used to be singular such as Category:Wichita Thunder Player. Are we switching every category to plural? --Ilamb94 01:55, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for offering help. That's very nice of you. Indeed, most categories that can be made plural will be switched to plural; this way it'll be more uniform and logical. So as far as the category you mention goes, it'll become Category:Wichita Thunder players, which will fall into the Category:Central Hockey League teams. That's a colossal task I'd have rather not gone through, but it became compulsory over time; thankfully AWB make it a faster process.
As for helping, most of the job is made via the AWB software which requires special permission from the Wikia staff to use on their wikis, so I guess there's not much you can do. If you really want to help though, you may want to start creating new correct categories in replacement of the old ones and manually move some pages from the older categories to their new correct ones. When you've emptied a category, just edit it to give it the Category:Trash Bin; I'll delete them at a later time. I suggest you empty categories with only a few articles in them, that's more encouraging ;) --Yannzgob 02:23, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
What is the point of having the (1992–) at the end of the current Central Hockey League category's such as Central Hockey League (1992–) players?--Ilamb94 19:45, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
It makes it easier to differentiate between the current CHL and the old Central Hockey League that existed from 1963 to 1984. I've noticed there were like 3 categories for the two CHLs, with some teams from the current and former leagues mixed up in all three, so this way it can't really happen again. Chances are I'll add the (1992–) to the article as well at a later time, for consistency sake. --Yannzgob 21:19, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
I see where your coming from in the category's but on team pages like Quad City Mallards (2009–) and Dayton Gems (2009-) should the current pages link to Quad City Mallards and Dayton Gems?
Actually, Quad City Mallards and Dayton Gems should rather be Homonymy pages to disambiguate between the former and current incarnations of each rather than redirecting to the most recent of each. --Yannzgob 03:00, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Re: NCAA categories

Hi, Yann. I had been following the normal category naming conventions we use elsewhere in the wiki: "Name of Team players", "Name of Team coaches", etc. "Name of Team", of course, is ambiguous for college teams, but our convention (imported from CHN Wiki) is along the lines of RIT Tigers, Ferris State Bulldogs, etc.

That said, User:Mark Staffieri has expressed an interest in having separate articles for men's teams and women's teams (i.e., RIT Tigers (men) and RIT Tigers (women)), so the cats would likely be split as well. But that process is far from complete (and has probably resulted in the category inconsistencies you've noted).

-- Powers 15:04, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, after examining some of the subcats of Category:NCAA player (why is that category singular, by the way?), I think you're right; Mark's imports from Wikipedia are responsible for most of the inconsistencies. Fortunately, categories are easily fixed. =) Powers 18:26, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

"Medical Articles"

Hi Yann.

We have a lot of red links to injuries, sicknesses, and body parts. I was thinking of putting them all in a "Medical" category with very simple basic articles. Any thoughts?

Fanofpucks 01:40, September 2, 2010 (UTC)


Hi Yannzgob. Just a couple questions about the cleanup.

Are we getting rid of the categories xxxx births, and xxxx deaths, and xxxx alumni? Hockeyben TALK CONTRIBUTIONS

New Look

HI there,

My name is Jeska and I work for Wikia in the Lifetyle content team, which handles all things Sports, in addition to other things. With the hockey season in full swing, I'd like to feature your wiki to drive some more traffic (and hopefully more helpful editors). As part of this, I'm working with our design team to create a custom theme for the Ice Hockey wiki, please let me know if you have any thoughts about what type of look/feel you'd like for the wiki! I'll be sure to reach out to you as soon as I've got something to show (probably in a few weeks).

Please let me know if you have any questions!

JeskaD 18:45, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Hello Jeska, thanks for your message! It's really great that IHW gets that much attention! It feels like it was just yesterday that it was a small 40-ish articles project.
That's a personnal opinion, and probably quite an obvious and unhelpful statement, but I think that exploiting themes of blue and ice seem fairly appropriate. An ice background for articles could be neat - you know, that kind of picture, where you can see the marks left by the blades of the skaters - maybe focusing on the blue line and a puck, or something. I had something like that in mind when I undertook a major revamping a couple years ago, but I ended up not able to make it work. But I'm sure you guys already thought of these as they're very unimaginative ;) Thanks a lot for the efforts you're putting to make our place better. It's appreciated. --Yannzgob 05:00, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Theme and Link

I like the new theme. Just wanted to point out a good link for European standings (I know you specialize in them) Link. I have lots of the standings already, and I will hopefully be able to add them. The leagues I have complete/almost complete standings on HockeyAllsvenskan, Superliga Espanola Hockey Hielo, Slovak 1.liga, Serie A, OB I bajnoksag, 1.Bundesliga, 2.Bundesliga, Oberliga, Regionalliga, Ligue Magnus,Czech 1.Liga, Czech 2.liga, Austrian Hockey League, Mestis. Hockeyben 02:44, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

PS Would you be interested in helping me fill in some of the other leagues (ones not listed above)? Hockeyben 21:55, December 15, 2010 (UTC)


The articles on countries are to tell people there is no hockey there. Like for example Albania tells people that there is no hockey, but there is an indoor rink, and they skate outside. A bit of background: I modeled my country articles after the Society For International Hockey Research Global Hockey Facts. They have articles on non hockey playing countries, so I made them too. Researching all the countries in the world took me over 2 years, and I had lots of files on my computer, and wanted to share my discoveries with the world, so I added them here. We're the ONLY website that can definitively tell you that there is no hockey or ice rinks in Zambia. If the articles are not welcome here, I can take them somewhere else. Hockeyben 21:54, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Also see the message above, I have added to it. Hockeyben 21:56, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I didn't see the point of it at first, just wanted to understand. You have a good point and I agree with you. Some are really no brainers, but you indeed never know... most people wouldn't think that Morocco and Algeria have a national team either. I won't ask that the pages are removed.
As for your request, it'll probably take several more weeks before I have sufficient time on my hands to properly resume contributing to this wiki. I'll then have to finish the cleanup I had started, which has pretty much been on hold on my side for a couple of months. I'm willing to help you afterward, within the limits of data availability. --Yannzgob 22:35, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

HockeyArchives has a lot of standings. They are used quite regularly as source of information on Wikipedia, that's how I discovered the site in the first place. And are listed in the Top sources of information section in the Wikipedia:Wikiproject Ice Hockey, so we know its okay to use them as a source, as long as we give them credit for the information, and link back to the site. As I said earlier, I already have lots of standings, that I should be able to add. The site is in French.Is there any one league that you would like to specialize in? --Hockeyben 22:55, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I'm well familiar with hockeydb and already knew the other website you mentioned the other day, which is indeed excellent - the articles are pretty good too actually. I had already started including some Soviet and Swiss standings back then, I might as well continue where I left. The availability I mentioned was rather aimed at the smaller leagues. I remember when I made the researches for All-Korea Championship, All-Japan Championship, any past season of either or for the Kanto University Ice Hockey League, they have been a real pain in the a**. And I just can't get nothing outside of the lastest few seasons at best. --Yannzgob 23:57, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
Just to point out, FanofPucks has finished the NLA seasons, and I did articles on all the Soviet League seasons. Also, what are the admin requirements here? I just want to know if i'm close. Thanks Hockeyben 01:53, December 16, 2010 (UTC)
Mock Design for my Euro season articles here. Hockeyben 23:20, December 16, 2010 (UTC)
Well, there's still the NLB and 4 amateur leagues for Switzerland, and lots of lower division Soviet standings (Pervaya and Vtoraya Liga) are still missing ;)
As for admin rights, there no achievement threshold after which you're automatically awarded the rights; rather, these rights are given when there is a need for an extra admin around to whoever we feel would make good use of those rights. As it is now, DMighton got his as founder. I requested mine at Wikia when I got around, since the place was a 30-some articles dormant place. Fanofpucks was the only user who was granted rights otherwise than "by default": it's because he's litterally always logged in and it was useful to have one extra pair of hands to tackle vandals. He'd been around for years and his 40k+ edits largely demonstrated his dedication. Currently, there's not many really regular contributors to the wiki, and three admins. The ratio is very high and I really don't think we're going to need another admin before a good while. --Yannzgob 23:37, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

--Yannzgob 23:37, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Just an idea. Maybe we should do most of the top level Euro leagues before moving on to the second level. You forgot to mention the 4th admin, Thai420, who has been inactive forever. Maybe I could take his place? I also wanted to point out another good standings link I'm not sure what the copyright status is, as it is not listed. Hockeyben 00:18, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, yeah, Thai420. I forgot about that guy. He's never contributed to the wiki, back then we absorbed an NHL wiki of which he was the admin. He offered to help and his rights carried over. I've removed them, since they're useless as it is - thanks for the reminder. Quite frankly, no offense, but I think that admin rights are something you get, not something you ask for ;) When the editor base grows sufficiently, we'll consider expanding the team. For the moment it's pretty much a closed group. Why do you want that title so much anyway? --Yannzgob 03:57, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Clean up cont.

Yo, just wanted to let you know that I have been slowly working on the clean up. But I have stopped recently because I have been very busy with other things. I looked into the auto wiki browser awhile back and I asked for permission from the community site. They said I needed to contact an admin on here and they also said something about a check page. I am some what experienced with the tool since I have used it on Wikipedia. So, if you can figure out how to add me to this check page so it will let me use the tool on this wiki it would really help. I could have gotten so much more done with it. Thanks again Yannz. The site looks really good with the new lay out and I feel its not complete in tell we get this clean up done. --Ilamb94 04:57, December 16, 2010 (UTC)


On other wikis I edit there Is an admin request page, so I requested rights there on other wikis. I am an admin on other sports wikis with far fewer edits avg 500, and I've done 11,000 here. I love editing wikis and I love hockey, so that's why having rights would mean so much to me here. I'd give up my rights on all other wikis just to have rights here. Hockeyben 04:17, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Just a question: What do you have to lose by having another helpful and willing admin in the administrator team? Just an example, the NFL Wiki has 8 admins, and it is a much smaller community. Pretty much anyone who contributed there got rights. I know all about being an admin, as i'm one on the NBA, NFL, College Basketball, and College Football wikis. It just seems like you have to either be one of the first people on the wiki, or do 80,000 + edits, which compared to just about all other wikis, is incredibly high.Please let me have admin rights. One final question,what happened to |zambotni ?Hockeyben 02:09, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

It's unbecoming of a potential admin to beg. Volume of edits has nothing to do with whether one deserves adminship, anyway. Powers 22:41, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

More like politely asking. Besides this wiki has INCREDIBLY high standards compared to just about ALL wikis. And also whats wrong with one more helpful person???Hockeyben 23:35, December 19, 2010 (UTC)


In terms of the standings workload. I was thinking we could divide it like this:

I'll take Armenia, Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus, Ukraine, Serbia, Croatia, Estonia, Georgia, Iceland, Sweden Klass I, Finland SM Sarja

You'll take lower-level Swiss leagues, lower-level Russian/Soviet Leagues, Poland

Sound okay?

I probably won't be able to start until after Christmas.

Hockeyben 18:22, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

No problem. As I said, it'll take quite a long while before I can start as well. --Yannzgob 18:58, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Don't know if you know, that hockeyarchives has standings for NLB Vtoraya Liga and Pervaya Liga Hockeyben 21:00, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

I was unable to find results from Georgia, so I will not me able to add results. Sorry if I sounded pushy about the admin request, it has just been frustrating that the wiki I would most like to have rights on is the one I don't have rights on. Hockeyben 19:45, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Well, no one expects anything from Georgia :P Hockey's still new and unknown there, and they don't use latin alphabet. Getting stuff from there is a matter of luck more than anything else. There are two people you may want to contact to get info, though. On , there's one user named Paddy and another named Qvanjobis_Komagi. The first is Vice-president of the Georgian Ice Hockey Federation and is involved in coaching with one of the teams, Ognennye Krestonostsy Tbilissi. The second is a Georgian sports journalist. They might help with standings, rosters and stuff.
As for admin rights, hopefully you realize that all of that begging, bothering and angering to be given what is privileges strongly works against you and erodes your chances of ever being being awarded them. It definitely fails to convey a sense of maturity one'd logically expect for some of the rights and responsibilities that comes with adminship, like page deletion and IP banning, which may get very sensitive matters. We're a little culprit for not clearly stating set rules anywhere on the matter, though. We'll look to correct that. 'Til then, the case is closed. --Yannzgob 16:09, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
Begging, Bothering, Angering, more like politely asking and reasoning. The only time I felt I was a bit pushy was after Ltpowers crashed into our conversation. If you say i'm immature just see how I have handled adminship on NBA wiki, NFL Wiki, College Basketball Wiki, Atlanta Thrashers Wiki, College Football Wiki.To hold it against me for sounding a bit pushy once or twice seems a bit much. This is not a request, i'm just trying to get an understanding between us. Thanks for the Georgia contact info. Hockeyben 22:12, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

It'll be awhile before I can start.I am currently working on another project. Happy new year--Hockeyben 23:40, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

See thisHockeyben 18:40, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

2 questions: I didnt see a link on the main page, Is it okay if I put it in the wiki news section? And can I contact users about the upcoming discussion/vote? Hockeyben 23:21, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Geez, you are of an impatient nature, are you? Remember IHW is for many of us something we stick in our free times. There is a clear mention on the first page now. I suppose you can contact other users if you feel so, but I doubt they'll miss the advertisement ;) --Yannzgob 01:28, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
I'm going to contact users who have edited recently, and who have over 100 edits. Is that all okay? And i'm not of impatient nature, when it took you a month to get back to me about clean-up categories, I wasnt bombarding you for an answer. I've not been active over the last month, as i'm gathering league tables.Hockeyben 01:40, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I had a didagreement with Mighton. Everything is resolved now,see his talkpage. And on that requests page, I said i didn't want the vote merely out of frustration . Is there any chance we could reopen it? loved your page on Scudetto.Hockeyben 04:35, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hold on, are you serious? Are you telling me that after the argument you had there with Devan, and after saying on his talk page that you felt you were probably not yet ready for these rights that actually you want the vote to happen anyway this month? I must have misunderstood...
Seriously, if I got this right, I'll give you a friendly advice. For Heaven's sake Ben (I assume this is your name), let the dust settle and forget about it for a while. After all this saga, the best that you can do is to just resume your researching/editing endeavours and let some time elapse. You said on Devan's page the following thing: "I'm probably not ready for the rights, but maybe down the road I will be". Now that's a sentence I liked. It's probably totally correct actually. Just give yourself the time to do the driving down that road. It's like in real life, it serves no purpose to step on the gas and try to make it faster than it should, more often than not you end up hitting a tree/truck/police car/pedestrian and wasting more time than you'd have otherwise. All things come in due time. The only one guy here who got awarded rights without special circumstances involved is Fanofpucks. It took a lot of time (years) before he got these rights, and they were not even sought after by him. The Adminship request page won't go away now. I did not like at all the way it was born, it should have, and was going to, come from within in a much less offhand, unplanned and rammed-down-the-throat manner. But it's been fixed and it's there to stay, so you and others can apply again some day in the future. And by future I don't mean tomorrow in three months if you see what I mean ;)
By the way, did you have any luck with the Georgian contacts I gave you? And be careful when creating new articles, I just noticed you created some time ago Supercoppa Italiana when there was already Supercoppa italiana. Red links can sometimes be misleading. --Yannzgob 07:24, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

I wasnt meaning this minute, I was meaning in 3-6 months. Sorry about the Supercoppa Italias. I havent had time to contact the Georgis people yet.Hockeyben 14:41, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Admin Request


I really like hockey and love the wiki and was wondering if you could make an Admin.

Thank you,

Head.Boy.Hog 23:17, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Head.Boy.Hog,
at this point we need no new admin. We always need new regular contributors, though. Do have a look at this page. IHW:Request for Adminship. One of the criteria to be considered a candidate for admin rights is to be a regular and to have contributed for long enough to the Wiki. You don't quite qualify so far with your lone contribution. But maybe in a couple of years, if you prove your worth... --Yannzgob 06:23, January 27, 2011 (UTC)


Yannzgob, when are you planning to contribute here again? Also, I've managed to do Polish tables, which you were originally going to do. Will add them soon. So Now there are the low-level Swiss/soviet leagues for you to do. Could I be enabled for Autowikibrowser? As I am willing to help with the cleanup. Did you know that... Malawi once had a national championship ?Hockeyben 02:16, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Well, Ilamb94 also requested AWB rights, but they changed the way to attribute them at Wikia and I have no idea so far how to make it work again, nor much time to investigate the matter. I'm in the process of starting a new contract for work in a distant town, so while I may do one or two little things here and there from time to time, I'll be scarce at best until I'm well rooted in my new environment.
Didn't know there had been hockey in Malawi! I made a quick search and it seems it goes back to the late 70s. Do you know any more than that? --Yannzgob 06:40, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
All I know is that in 1977-78 a national championship was played. The Ribadoui Royals were the champion. Hockeyben 16:47, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

After I've done more research, added many new pages, and let some time elapse would you re-consider me for an administrator? Also, Is it ok if I welcome new users? Hockeyben 23:57, January 28, 2011 (UTC) Something seems to have happened to So I haven't been able to contact the Georgia people, however I was able to find who the 2008 winner was (Bakuriani). Also, I've found out there Is a 3 team league in Azerbaijan. You may find Ice hockey worldwide article interesting. It has a snapshot on every country in the world, without getting into details that the Countries articles contain. I'll contact wikia about how to attribute AWB software. More facts now: Luxdmbourg once had a championship (last played in 08) and a cup (last played in 07), and Portugal had a league that ran for the 2000-01 season. Currently Tornado Luxembourg plays in the French 3 division. Dunno if you saw my above message. Please reply as soon as you can. Hockeyben 04:22, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

The forums are back online, but need to be accessed via an IP address due to problems with their host:
Your article is a pretty good idea, but it badly needs a better layout, hyperlinks, references and complete sentences. I suggest you add an alphabetical menu (like the one here) at the top to facilitate browsing through this huge amount of nations, and make nation names bold and linking to their page, among others. The way it is now, it doesn't look very clean.
Also, be careful about what you write. The Havana Tropicals were based in Miami, Florida and not in Havana, as the text suggests. They were intended as representatives from Cuba, but there probably wasn't even a descendent of Cubanos on the team. There is actually hockey in Puerto Rico, or at least there was 'til recently. Bad ownership at the ice rinks has screwed the development of the game. There's one Puerto Rican player on the above forums, I forgot his name - it had puertorico in it I think. You should contact him for an up to date state of the sport there. Also, there's roller hockey in Liechtenstein. And as far as Jamaica goes, I read hockey had been prohibited at the rink for fear of responsibilities over potential injuries and because "hockey is a white's sport" (no kidding). No idea if they overcame that at this point.
As for your other message... seriously, from now on, the word "administrator", its kin and related discussions are prohibited from my talk page -- and I mean it. Devan spoke of harrassment on his talk page and that's what it is. Stop continuously bringing that question, regardless of how and why you do it. We're all fed up and in case you didn't notice, it doesn't help your cause at all. The greatest captains do not request the C, and I don't think the bad ones request it either. Nor do they ask the coach if they would become captain after they scored a bunch of goals and let a couple of seasons pass. There's more to it, every player subconsciously knows it. You should know it too, and if you don't, then consider it a clear sign you're not yet ready. You've been given a lot of cues. When the need for an extra Admin arises, the one user who is perceived as the best fit for the job gets it. There's no way I can tell if you'll be considered, since you're the only one responsible of having and displaying what is needed. The ball is in your camp. And that's my last word on that. --Yannzgob 02:33, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

1963-64 NHL season

Hi Yann and a belated Happy New Year.

I have been adding info to the above article. I feel that it could use some improved formats and I know of no one better to come up with some. Could you, at your convenience, take a look at it, please? Any improvements that you come up with I can use on the other NHL seasons.

Thanks Fanofpucks 20:13, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Dave,
a Happy New Year to you too. I have a couple of ideas for the page, I will find some time in the coming days to implement them. It'll be a pleasure. --Yannzgob 06:11, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Yann. The change looks so much better. I plan to put it into the other seasons where I have predictions. Thanks again.

Fanofpucks 20:03, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Possible merge

Would you be interested in merging Inline Hockey Wiki with Ice Hockey Wiki? It's got 340 pages, and I see that adding inline hockey was discussed in the locker room , but people didnt want to take time away from ice hockey articles. This way, the wiki can have inline hockey articles, with no work needed from other people. I can contact Angela from Wikia if you want to merge the sites.Hockeyben 19:02, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

I asked Devan about possibly merging with inline hockey wiki. He said yes, but asked you and Fanofpucks for your opinions as well.Hockeyben 01:38, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Fanofpucks says no, and based on his reasons, I agree with his decision... I change my decision to no. DMighton 22:18, January 26, 2011 (UTC)
I'm all in favour of expanding the Wiki's vocation to inline hockey, if some fans (you Ben?) want to create and maintain the articles. In my book it does make a lot of sense, as it is also an IIHF-governed sport. I thought it was a good idea when it was discussed in the Locker Room but like Dave and Devan, I see no point in the merger with that precise wiki - I'm actually against merging with any other wiki at all again, whichever it is.
Of the mergers we had, the one with the College Hockey Wiki went well, but the one with the NHL Wiki was a real pain in the butt. It flooded us with a ton of new articles that were litterally copy/paste from Wikipedia, with their format and everything - it also brought a whole lot of duplicate pages. Reformating and cleaning up this mess was a painstakingly endless process I absolutely do not want to get into again. And that's what'd happen with the proposed merger.
Do take what is already here and upgrade it so inline hockey is thoroughly covered if you want. All the players are there already. So long as it does not involve copying/pasting Wikipedia pages (and not removing the interwiki links to other language's Wikipedia...), you pretty much have carte blanche as far as I'm concerned. Make it another IHW project, build it a portal and build a reference within the reference. That's a plus for this Wiki. But no merger.--Yannzgob 06:05, January 27,2011 (UTC)
I'll start an Inline Hockey Portal, and an IHW:Project Inline Hockey when I have more time. And I will add inline articles after finished the standings i am planning to do.Hockeyben 16:45, January 27, 2011 (UTC)


There actually used to be an ice rink in Havana. I never said anything about that tropical team being from Havana. The ice hockey worldwide article was my very first wiki article, so that's why it looks so terrible. I'll see to it when I have more time. Liechtenstein has a team that plays in some low-level Austrian league. isn't harassment cursing other users, making bad edits, and in general not being nice to other users. And I've said nice things to Wagnike2, Fanofpucks, and Mark Staffieri. I got off to a bad start with Devan because of some links issues. Newest discovery: there was a league in Malta up to 2006, when the sole rink closed, and I found league tables from 2002 and 2003. Also, just about every single wiki, you ask for adminship. ( I'm just saying it's different than most) Finally, did you know that canillo, Andorra hosted the 1997 d-pool world championship? (the Andorran team didn't participate). Hockeyben 02:55, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Please get back to me. I'm assuming you like Montreal canadiens. Minnesota wild and Carolina hurricanes are my favorite teams. Hockeyben 03:51, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

True, you didn't clearly state the Tropicals were based in Havana, but you did not mention it was not based there either; to the average person who doesn't know about it, it's easy to assume the team was based there. Just trying to review little things that could cause ambiguity.
Indeed, the word harassment can describe what you mention, and visibly it is not the case here. The word is an ancient loan word from French "harasser", a word still in use which roughly means "to torment, annoy, bother, trouble". Those meanings were actually retained in English as well; states as first definition: "To irritate or torment persistently" - the persistent occurance of a certain topic on our pages sure was irritating. In that regard, it is harassment. Now, it probably wasn't done in a mischievous way, but the result was still the same. That's stuff to consider when interacting with others.

To answer your question, I'm not much a fan of the Habs, I used to be a Nordiques' fan back then but didn't switch to Montreal like so many others when they left. I cheered for the Avs for a couple of seasons, but it wasn't quite the same thing. I rather looked eastwards and ventured into the Euro leagues. My favourite team at this moment is pretty much Dinamo Rīga. --Yannzgob 22:18, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Again, sorry if I have been harassing. I certainly do not mean to be. Admin stuff is just much different than it is on just about every wiki. My fav European team is Energija Elektrenai of Lithuania. Let's hope Bettman brings a franchise back to Quebec city. Hockeyben 22:40, February 10, 2011 (UTC)


Hi Yannzgob, Fanofpucks told me that you are good at templates ! I’m hoping you would you look at the playoff template at 1973 MJHL season. There is a line missing and would like the seed # dark like 71 MJHL season. Thanks, HockeyAl

Hi Al,
there you go, I fixed it. The trick was to change the color numbers for each line containing {{{RD-seed}}}, from "#F2F2F2" to "#98A1B2" and adding <font color="#FFFFFF"></font> around it so it is lettered in white as in the other template. If you ever need anything again, feel free to ask. --Yannzgob 02:27, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Yann, There is also a line missing, wonder if you could use some of your magic. HockeyAl

Well, I've just taken a look at it and I must say I'm not too sure what is missing exactly. The template seems to work correctly and display all there is to display... could you tell me what else you'd like to have there? --Yannzgob 22:24, February 16, 2011 (UTC)


Hi Yannzgob.

I have given up my quest of European hockey standings/stuff. After thoroughly looking through, I have realized that no matter what I do here, it would be no match to them. Anyway, I have posted some stuff exclusive to this site early on (east germany, Yugoslavia). And I still have all the stuff I've worked on (every single seasons for all top leagues), which I may post eventually, but I am unlikely to do much more research, or contribute here for a while. Though i wiill post a set of Dutch cup standings soon hopefully. Hockeyben 03:21, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Standings-wise, hockeyarchives is a thorough and complete website, there's no doubt about that. They do, however, have other lackings. As far as player stats go, they're pretty limited. If competiting with them (him, I'm actually fairly sure it's a single guy behind this all) is what you want, you need to push in directions neglected by this site, such as Asia (All-Japan Championships, All-Korea Championships, Japanese University leagues, Mongolian league, North Korea (though there's no miracle to expect), Thailand, etc.) and anything regarding players - past rosters, full league stats, etc.
But you know, it's not so much about competing with the other quality websites there are rather than presenting info in a different way. New info when we can, but often just a new way to present the info. Hockeydb and eliteprospects report digits. Hockeyarchives report digits with a few lines of text to tell the big lines of the story that a hockey season is. We oughta make the story a lively one. With digits as an illustration of the subject, rather than as the subject itself, if you see what I mean. I think this is one of the strenghts of a wiki, and probably the direction where we should aim.

--Yannzgob 21:41, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Ok. I guess I won't quit then. When you put it that way

Here's what I have on these leagues

  • All-Japan Championships Around 5/6 tables
  • All-Korea Championships Nothing
  • Japanese University leagues 2 tables
  • Mongolian league Everything back to 1992 (When the league started)
  • North Korea Everything back to 1998 (The league started in 1956, though)
  • Thailand Everything back to 1998 (When the league founded)

And a few others in which HockeyArchives doesn't cover.

  • Eredivisie all back to 1945 (HA Only covers to 1992)
  • Dutch Cup all back to 1970 (HA only covers to 1992)
  • Japan Ice Hockey League all back to 1966 (HA covers to 1992)

I also have more complete stuff from East Germany than is currently posted. But, I probably won't be able to add this stuff until the summer. As i'm busier than I expected at the moment, but those leagues will be my main focus when I do have time.Oh, did you know there was a proposed Caucasus Hockey League featuring Georgia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan? Nothing ever became of it though (I still need to contact those Georgia people on that forum) --Hockeyben 23:19, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

I just posted the Dutch Cup stuff, as I had it all on one file, so It was easy to copy - --Hockeyben 23:23, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

Hockey in Georgia looks to be in bad shape, no leagues was played for 10-11, and none are planned for the future. The national team, which played two exhibitions last year has no plans to play soon.Hockeyben 15:14, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

That's sad. With Armenian hockey a real mess and their national team cheating and being suspended repeatedly the last few years, the sport is (again) in jeopardy in the Caucasus. I suspect the death of Davydov (VP) and Tsagareishvili (General Secretary) in a car accident in 2009 may not have helped; that and the fact that the sport is largely underfinanced. Hopefully they'll resume activities in the coming seasons. --Yannzgob 14:51, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but the Armenian League played this year with Urartu winning. Azerbaijan has also started a small 3-team rec league. Devan wont respond to me on message on his talk page. 14:57, April 13, 2011 (UTC)

You know there used to be a team that played in the russian 2 league in Uzbekistan (Binokor Tashkent)? The standard ice rink has closed, but there is a newly opened synthetic rink in Tashkent. In Turkmenistan, there is a large ice palace, and hockey is recreationally played. In Tajikistan, no hockey is played, and there are no indoor rinks, but there is a known outdoor rink at a park. Georgia + Azerbaijan, already told you. Kyrgyzstan, there is a national championship, and the nt won gold at the Asian winter games. Well, that's the profiled on lesser Former soviet countries. PS noticed you did the [[Binokor Tashkent] article. Where did you find the standings? I found them on the Deutsche Wikipedia. -Hockeyben 21:20, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, Urartu pretty much always win. That club has been amidst much suspicions at the forums I once told you about because all the illegal players the Armenian national team iced (Americans of Armenian descent) were listed as playing for Urartu, when they are supposed to come from the LA area, where Armenia's coach DeCesare is from. I knew for Tashkent. Actually, what I really wanted to know was whether ethnic Uzbeks got trained at Binokor, but player data is at best terribly scarce. Only Uzbek player I know is Vladimir Antipov, who is a dual nat for Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan - he's long retired now AFAIK. The standings are simply gathered from the various league standings at hockey archives. Very glad to hear Azerbaijan is coming back at it. Where did you get the info? Any info on the teams and rosters?
As for Devan... just leave him alone. It's what he wants, and that's the best for everyone.

--Yannzgob 14:24, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

I'll leave him alone. I got the info on Azerbaijan on, but I have no rosters nor standings. As for ethnic Uzbeks, I know of Yuri Gunko, Dmitri Riabykin, Nikita Zakharov, and Andreas Klunt, they are all currently playing. Ilmir Karimov and Shukur Karimov used to play for Binokor in the 80;s, I believe were born in Uzbekistan. Quite thrilled that Kyrgyzstan won the 2nd division Asian winter games this year. A great outing for a first appearance, won all their games by at least 5 goals.-Hockeyben 15:17, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, but the four players you mention most probably aren't ethnic Uzbeks. There are even contradictory sources stating that Gunko was born in Kyiv and Ryabykin in Moscow... and from pictures, they do not look Uzbek at all, with Ryabykin being stereotypically Russian. The other two, I couldn't see pictures, but the names make them of Russian and German ethnicity respectively - lots of Germans were actually born in Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan during the Soviet era. These were probably descendents of deported Volga Germans. Others include Vitalij Aab, Eduard Lewandowski and Dmitrij Pätzold. The two Karimovs on the other hand have some very good chances of being ethnic Uzbeks.
Agreed, it's great that Kyrgyzstan could pull such a good result, especially as first-timers. It's division 2 and the opposition wasn't so great, but they still crushed the UAE and Thailand, who are usual strong performers at the IIHF Challenge Cup of Asia. I hope they apply to, and are accepted, the IIHF and can get to participate in the division III tournament (or in a long overdue division IV). I doubt they have the required infrastructures, though...

--Yannzgob 01:00, April 17, 2011 (UTC) sources Gunko and Riabykin coming from Uzbekistan, and it's a reliable source. As for Kyrgyzstan, they need an indoor rink to be accepted into the iihf, as they already have a league. Let's hope for Tajikistan now, only post soviet country with no hockey, even though outdoor rinks are found. I probably didn't handle the admin discussion very well, but I've moved on from it and feel bad about it. Btw, it's Great having someone to talk about European hockey with!-Hockeyben 03:02, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Locker Room

Yann, could you please look at LtPowers' latest comment in the Locker Room? I think we need to deal with this a little bit, could use your insight! DMighton 05:35, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Just seen your message Devan, I replied. --Yannzgob 04:25, July 7, 2011 (UTC)


I gotta ask you, where did you get the information for this page because it isn't even close to right? It's a terrible mish-mash of various leagues, tournaments, and teams that don't remotely result in anything referred to as a "Korean Championship"--Crossmr 06:11, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. This page is the aggregation of results and bits of texts hardly found via specialized hockey forums and internet pages in Korean translated using Google translate - sadly that's the best tools I have available. Poor translations and incoherent competition names gathered from the various sources may well have resulted in incorrect interpretations. This thread here for instance is about a "Korean Domestic Championship" pits together University teams plus HIGH1 and Halla from the Asia League. That one is probably the All-Korean. However, this one here is about a league featuring University teams plus one company team, Mobil Edge. At least Anyang Halla (then Mando Winia) and probably Dongwon Dreams also existed back then to my knowledge, but neither appear in this one league; they must have played elsewhere, yet this is what is reffered to as the Korean Championship. I guess you can now see how easy it is to get things wrong...
If you are able to fix that page, I would greatly appreciate. --Yannzgob 03:00, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


Do you know how to add "image_caption" back into Template:Infobox Ice Hockey Player? DMighton 21:26, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for the delays. I fixed it.
Basically, to add things into infobox templates, you can simply copy one of its sections (i.e. all the text from the " <!-- Section header--> " to the " |- " at the end), paste it where you see it fit in the template (if it'd look good after the "size" section for instance, paste it right after) and replace the text between {{{}}} by what you want.
So, if for instance you want to add a section called "Records" and place it after "career end", you'd paste the following text:
<!-- ###### Records -->
{{#if: {{{records|}}}|
{{!}} style="padding: 0.4em 1em 0.4em 0.4em;" {{!}} '''Records'''
{{!}} style="padding: 0.4em 1em 0.4em 0.4em;" {{!}} {{{records}}}}}
right after the " |- " closing the "career end" section.

--Yannzgob 19:49, November 12, 2011 (UTC)


Just a heads-up, main page ads are being turned on for this wiki. Because of this, I've made a change to the main page in order to avoid a placement conflict between the content and the adspace. Without this change, the ad would display on top of the current content, blocking it from users. Obviously, you are welcome to make further adjustments as you see fit - this is just a "quick-fix" to avoid a visual conflict. Please feel free to contact me on my talk page if you have any questions, comments, or issues. Cheers! (talk) 10:08, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Hockeyben strikes again

Check out the name and header of this wiki:

If you want, you can contact Wikia about it here:

TTYL. DMighton 22:36, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Good heavens. Somehow, I thought something like this was bound to happen. AFAIK, when you request the permission to create a Wiki, they check if there isn't already one covering your subject... so I wonder how he got that one agreed upon, especially with a name already in use. I'll write the folks at Wikia when I return home tonight. -- 20:12, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
No kidding. They sent fanofpucks and I the same message... what a cop out eh? Well, he'll never make one as good as this one... so no worries. DMighton 04:35, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

28 décembre

salut mec et bon anniversaire ! -- 23:21, December 27, 2011 (UTC) (TaraO)

Merci Tara! --Yannzgob 18:39, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
one more year ! Tarao 


Still out there Yann? DMighton (talk) 07:04, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Hey Devan! It's been a while since I last visited... I felt the need to take an editing break a (long) while ago and... well, I didn't really return. Life's got me fairly busy as well. Perhaps someday I will regularly edit again. At this time it doesn't really feel like it. --Yannzgob (talk) 14:01, July 12, 2014 (UTC)

An apology... Four years in the making

Hello there.

This has in all likelihood been a long time coming, but since I only recently jogged my memory on your site, it was put off until now. I would like to sincerely apologize for my actions on here all those years ago - I’ve come to realize they were uncalled for at worst and unhelpful at best. But instead of just proffering a rudimentary “I’m sorry” apology and leaving it that, I am going to delve a little deeper and address many of the issues that led to the continual acrimony and my intractability

When I joined the website back in 2010, I was a novice who had only recently become acquainted with the wonderful world of hockey research. I spent many hours in the months leading up to my registration researching the sport around the world. However, I also went about the process hastily - you could say I was almost blinded by excitement - and thus much of my early work (including those “country profiles”; which have since been overhauled elsewhere) was incomplete or riddled with typos and other errors.

And that’s another thing, with the desire I had to work and move with such fervent zeal, I was intransigent about receiving advice to assist in ameliorating many of the mistakes I was making. So instead of heeding and noting it (even if I still feel it was doled out a tad too firmly), I mostly disregarded it and went about my editing much as I had before. I also realize now that the mass copying from Wikipedia (especially considering the articles were ill-formatted as I was incorrectly removing “all” internal links after initially linking “back” to WP incorrectly), and the constant stream of other short, poorly-constructed articles I spewed out, were not conducive to improving the project.

As time wore on, I came to acquire adminship on several other Wikia projects with relative ease, as they were small wikis which had little in the way of administration crews. Thus, this planted a problematic seed in my head - I wanted to become an admin on the IHW also, even though, looking back on it, I was clearly ill-qualified for the position considering all my failings. I also exacerbated matters by not simply accepting the “no” verdict, and I perpetually campaigned for an alteration to it, in a most bothersome and disagreeable manner, while failing to abide by the “actions speak louder than words” principle in the first place. I am sorry for that also.

By the summer of 2011, I had left the wiki, deciding a fresh start elsewhere would be beneficial. I began to edit voraciously on Wikipedia, and having become more seasoned and experienced at both the research and the editing game, I managed to avoid many of the mistakes I made on IHW and was also successful in avoiding disputes with other editors. I have gone on to make over 8,000 edits ( ) on WP while maintaining a clean block log. If anything, I hope that proves that I’m not out to make trouble and take researching seriously.

Now regarding the Derek Krestanovich page that led to my one year ban. I was truthfully shocked when I learned I’d been blocked, as I hadn’t made any significant edits in months, and was even more puzzled when I discovered the reason behind it, as I had no recollection of creating the article and certainly didn’t intentionally sabotage it. So I looked into past revision on Wikipedia, and found I had erroneously copied a vandalized form of the page. Here’s a diff for proof: Now it was still my fault for failing to ensure the veracity of the information when I copied the page, and I understand why it was perceived as intentional deceit and was the “last straw” given all the previous issues I’d caused, but I assure you it was not planned or intended.

I also noted that a new wiki I created, originally entitled “Ice Hockey Wiki”, was the subject of past discussions on here. The site no longer exists, but has been re-vamped as the International Hockey Wiki ( ). I have spent countless hours working on the wiki, and it contains a plethora of rare information not found anywhere else online, but it is in no way intended to compete or infringe upon the Ice Hockey Wiki, as its primary focus is on European, Asian, and worldwide competitions, with nearly all the data being derived from Wikipedia or my personal efforts. I also hope this once again shows my dedication to careful and meticulous research, unlike in the past.

I am addressing and sending this message to DMighton, Fanofpucks, and Yannzgob - as you were the three admins on the wiki and those whom I corresponded with most often, and who I feel are most deserving of receiving my apologies and hearing my penitence, though I also extend them to HockeyAl, Ilamb94, and the wiki as a whole. I have no intention of returning to the project on any significant level, as I am busy both with my other research endeavors and real life, but I hope to have the chance to atone for some of my past editing follies (such as by upgrading the country pages) and make the odd constructive edit when time and motivation are sufficient.

If you desire further answers, have more questions, or require any additional clarification, please let me know. I wish you a Happy Holiday season.


--Hockeyben (talk - contribs) 18:23, December 27, 2014 (UTC)