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Welcome to the ice hockey wikia page.  Your additions so far are looking great.  The only thing ressembling issues I would see on anything is on the league season pages with using the two years of the seasons.  We have been using the second year as the year in hockey as in 1980-81 NHL season would be under 1981 in hockey.  The only other one would be watch out on sub-categories, Like Continental Hockey League Seasons being a sub category of the Continental Hockey League category.  I was doing the same thing at the beginning and it gets a little confusing.  Once again welcome and it's always nice to have someone else to help out.

Dtalbot (talk) 19:57, May 20, 2018 (UTC)

Hi, nice to meet you. Thanks for your message and pointing those things out. I will correct the articles I have already created. Btw, I made a template for post-1971 Canadian senior hockey - Template:Canadian Senior (Post-1971). I noticed that the articles were rather difficult to find, so I figured the template would be useful for navigational purposes. --MarchandTriedToLickMe (talk) 21:48, May 20, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I looked at that and it looked good.  There is so much stuff on the Senior level that are a little scattered on here due to several different people using different styles of entry.  Information on some of these leagues have been hard to find.  I've done some things to try making some of my stuff more organized but, it's been enough of a challenge trying to keep up with the current seasons from late January through about now as league playoffs for all the league start up and it gets overwhelming.  I use spreadsheets to keep track of league regular season ending dates and playoff series and it keeps me on track.  Towards end of April to early May I try to update the team pages for the curent season.  I just looked at it it is about 120 leagues and about 40 interleague post season playoff tournaments. I usually like to get some of the holes filled in during the summer and fall until about Christmas.  Found that women's hockey at all levels and American Juniors were lacking on many years and teams having pages and worked on them the last two years. Senior level has been slowly coming together as well.  The main person that was doing much of the senior level doesn't post much if at all anymore.  Non-North American leagues are pretty much much non-existant for the past 8 years or so. Like I said any help is welcome.  There are a couple administrators that check their postings and can help if you need any as some things can only be fixed by administrators. Any questions don't be afraid to ask.

Just click on the talk thing below and you can leave anything on my talk page.

Dtalbot (talk) 22:14, May 20, 2018 (UTC)

Wow, you've got a lot on your plate with all those leagues to keep up to date. This site is an amazing resource for lesser-known North American competitions. There's a lot of information that doesn't seem to be found anywhere else, so props to you and others for doing such a great job compiling and posting it.

I will try and contribute where I can, right now I think I'll mostly work on filling in minor professional, senior and junior info where needed. I also have some material on a few early 20th century competitions that I don't believe can be found here, which I'll probably add later on. --MarchandTriedToLickMe (talk) 22:21, May 20, 2018 (UTC)

The Hockeydb.com website is great for the information but for some of the seasons, the pages list no records or the US college ones go back and forth between conference records and overall records, but Ralph (the guy that runs the site) does update them as he finds stuff as well. I haven't hit the site in a while to look for standings but I usually try to look once the various playoffs wind down to see what he has dug up.

Thanks for the info.

Dtalbot (talk) 07:57, May 26, 2018 (UTC)

Hey there,

I still work on the research but it's slow going as I've been working 2 jobs for the last 6 months or so. Most of my work is organized in spreadsheets at the moment as I've been working on building a program/database for it, but that's another project that's slow going haha. I can send you some of the league results/standings I've completed from the 1875-1900 area. I've not yet finished organizing the 1901-05 sheet. You can post it on the wiki and if you happen to know of anything I've missed, by all means send it along to me :). Just leave me your email and I'll send along what I got.

Colin75y (talk) 14:28, June 2, 2018 (UTC)

no, HockeyAl

I thought somewhere you stated you were a member of SIHR. Could you possibly look up something for me as I am not a member. The only page on the site that is not categorized is Bud Timlick. It only has a picture and I was hoping you could find out more on him. The page only has a picture of him in uniform and the caption "Bud Timlick of the 1928-29 team."

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --Dtalbot (talk) 11:27, May 19, 2019 (UTC)

I figured it out Thanks anyway.Dtalbot (talk) 12:32, May 19, 2019 (UTC)

They are the same league,,,thanks, Between the NCAA leagues and this one the names got too confusing,

Dtalbot (talk) 07:01, June 29, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Much better.

Dtalbot (talk) 10:31, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

I have never dealt with it before...I just looked and I can't edit it. So I would assume someone at fandom would have to do it.

Dtalbot (talk) 22:38, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Photo for your id

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Thought you would appreciate this one.

Dtalbot (talk) 13:43, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

LOL, that's awesome. Thanks. MarchandTriedToLickMe (talk) 00:50, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Quebec Hockey Leagues and team names

I was thinking that we may start running into some issues with teams and leagues in Quebec and to a lesser extent in New Brunswick. The language issue is the main cause of them.

I was thinking we should be creating a redirect page either to or from the French name of the page. In some cases multiple redirects may be needed such as Castors Sherbrooke -> Sherbrooke Beavers and Sherbrooke Castors -> Sherbrooke Beavers.

A second issue is with team names is do we use the French nickname for the team such as Castors over the English name Beavers. Some other teams use what in English would be a singular name.

The other main issue I can see right away is that many teams in Quebec from a particular community use the same nickname such as the Alma Aiglons. Many times the team name is used for everything from senior down to the lowest youth levels. Either we can make multiple pages with the designation of level (senior, Jr. A, AAA, etc.) and create an disambiguation page with redirects, or have one page made for all the teams with the line at the beginning stating something like Alma Aiglons is the traditional or customary name for hockey teams from Alma, Quebec. And then breakdown the teams by playing levels.

Community names have been a bit of an issue for me on some league membership tables as many communities in the province are named after saints I know there are a few towns that have similar names with a regional classifier. Using a hyphen appears to be a common way to name things such as Aréna Richard-Trottier.

I'm thinking playing levels below professional except for Major Junior should use the French name as the page that gets used for the main page name with redirects towards that page from English versions of the page and using the single page approach for teams like the Alma Aiglons with each level listed separately within the page. The arenas are in Quebec so I think the main page should be with accent marks and hyphens (Canadian-French) with redirects from the Canadian-English version of the name.

Dtalbot (talk) 11:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Some interesting points here. Hockey in Quebec is a muddle in general. When it comes to team nicknames, I've generally been going by what was reported in the newspapers and/or on the SIHR website. I think using the French ones is preferable and I have generally done that except when explicitly noted otherwise. As for the full names, I default to putting them in English, except in certain cases. For example the 1994-95 LHSM season, Grand Portneuf de Pont-Rouge was used on SIHR, so that's what I went with, while Louiseville was written as the Louiseville Jets and not Jets de Louiseville. The community names do get confusing and I will admit I have not looked deeply into them.
I like the single page approach for the teams, it gets too messy otherwise. Many such pages in addition to the Alma Aiglons are formatted this way already, such as the Quebec Sons of Ireland, so it seems others decided this was the best way to handle things earlier on too. I also agree regarding the playing levels. --MarchandTriedToLickMe (talk) 19:51, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

re:Midget AAA

Thanks for the information. I try to dodge Quebec until I am up to it. I understand French but...

Usually I also hold off on Manitoba until last.

Do you have any information on earlier information on Ontario leagues?

Thanks, Dtalbot (talk) 00:21, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year.

I created the template for the Arctic Winter Games. It was showing up on the wanted template page for a few days. If you want to change anything on it go ahead.

I've also been trying to keep up with the league shutdowns in Eastern Canada with the spike in COVID cases and doing some house cleaning on some unused pages, photos, etc.

One other thought...on the U18AAA template did you want to put a section for defunct leagues and competitions?

Dtalbot (talk) 21:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy New year to you too. Thanks for creating the AWG template- I meant to when I created the articles, but forgot.

I think including defunct U18AAA competitions is a great idea. If you want to add them, go ahead.

I also appreciate you fixing the links for the pages I added today. I wish there was more info on the earlier Western Canadian championships, but the papers don't have much. --MarchandTriedToLickMe (talk) 22:28, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Moving away from Fandom (alternative hosting)

Hi, before you click away and think I'm a spammer please just hear me out. I personally quite like ice hokey and am disappointed that the only wiki that exists is on Fandom. I'm also a user on Miraheze which is a (free and no ads at all) and much better wiki hosting site than Fandom. All I'd like is for you to give Miraheze a chance and simply consider moving away from Fandom and transferring this wiki to Miraheze (it's really easy to do that). Please take just a few minutes to read https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Comparing_Miraheze_to_Fandom and make up your mind. Many wikis have already moved from Fandom.

Thanks for hearing me out,

Nevrik.

International Hockey Wiki

I had a feeling it was yours from the way it looked.

I have no problem with merging them. (I have no clue how to do it). I am surprised I didn't find it earlier.

Dtalbot (talk) 21:21, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Non-North American leagues have been weak on this site for about 10+ years (two people did most of the European set up and no longer edited on webiste) so the merging of the two would be very complimentary. I've also been surprised with how much the Wikipedia pages are falling short on recent seasons for many leagues.

Dtalbot (talk) 21:42, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, Wikipedia’s coverage of European hockey really fell off after around 2014. All significant Euro leagues are updated through 2019 on my site. I slacked with the last two seasons as I’ve had many other projects that have held my attention, and Covid also reduced my motivation. After 2021-22 is complete I plan to get them all up to date again. I’ve kept up better with Asian leagues, as info on those tends to be harder to find and if you wait too long, you may never get it.

Special:Export and Special:Import can be used to quickly transfer pages from one wiki to another, but all images have to be done manually. I also don’t know which site would be better to use as the primary one. I prefer the classic MediaWiki (Wikipedia-esque) style of International Hockey Wiki, and don’t really like the direction Fandom has gone (the name change from Wikia and their total sellout to the gaming/movies/TV community), or the ads for unregistered users, but the pages do rank far higher in Google search results, and there is the ease of having a host to run everything. Plus, there would be so many more pages and images to transfer over if the International site were to become the destination. Either way, I still intend to keep my site active, it doesn’t cost very much.

I definitely think it would be cool to have a “complete” hockey wiki. This place has almost 75,000 articles as it stands, merging would probably get it to somewhere around 80-85k. 100k articles as an eventual goal definitely feels achievable, wouldn’t that be something? The biggest issue really is manpower. So few people consistently edit this site, and many who were active 5/10/15 years ago no longer come on. There’s a lot of pages that are outdated simply due to the fact that there aren’t enough people to edit them. We could really do with a team of devoted users like Wikipedia has, but for whatever reason, that simply has not happened.

Whatever we decide on, I won’t be able to do too much with any sort of merger for a little while, as I’ve got a few research projects currently on the go. There’s some old American amateur hockey info I’m digging into, plus I have some papers from Asia, British Columbia and New Zealand I’m planning to go through. The digitization of newspapers over the last few years has been incredible. I’m hopeful more get added from Thunder Bay, Timmins and Nova Scotia especially in the near future, so I can continue to fill in the gaps. --MarchandTriedToLickMe (talk) 01:21, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Requiring a log in to edit

I am seriously getting ready to require a login for people to edit pages. The vandalism lately has been ridiculous. The only user that has been editing regularly that isn't logged in is the person that has been editing NHL broadcasters. I am going to ask them to set up an account so I can get rid of 99% of the garbage edits that have been getting done. I was hoping for your input on this as I see you required a login for the international hockey wiki.

Dtalbot (talk) 00:41, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I think that would be a good idea. It would certainly eliminate most of the vandalism, which gets very annoying. There’s also that anon who’s been adding to our Junior pages - https://icehockey.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/71.190.168.232 - hopefully they can be encouraged to make an account too. --MarchandTriedToLickMe (talk) 00:54, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I just sent them a note. At the end of the month I will turn the option on and let's see how it goes.

Dtalbot (talk) 01:26, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good. I would also be in favor of adding a note to the main page, that could stay up for a few weeks, after the change is made. --MarchandTriedToLickMe (talk) 05:08, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Introduction and assistance

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Wiki help

Hey MarchandTriedToLickMe! Hector mentioned on sending a Wiki Rep on some help, and as a huge Ice Hockey fan, I'm more than happy to help. Hope we get an exciting SCF match up!

Back on topic, you mentioned to Hector you'd like help on theme designs, especially with the FandomDesktop release last year. The primary thing you mentioned was with the wordmark and how it didn't work properly with FandomDesktop. These can be updated by reuploading them in Special:ThemeDesigner under "Community logo". You also mentioned a potential of a new logo. Is there a general design you are looking for if one were to be designed? It can remain with the 250x65px dimensions, but can also be up to 500x500px.

x TimeShade (talk) 20:29, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Glad the favicon worked out! For the background, in the theme designer under "header & background" there is a setting for "image display". The default one is Header, but if you'd like it to fit the old background, it should be set as "full screen". Since the old background image had a cutout for the content space, it made not fit the same dimensions. But it looks to be from a pre-existing image that may not have that cutout. Trying to do a quick search for it but no luck so far. Just note, that for the background, you'll need to set it for both the light and dark skin, as it's one of the theme designer aspects that can be customized differently for both if chosen.
x TimeShade (talk) 23:14, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Scratch my previous comment, found the original image here. I've played around with positioning on my w:c:timesandbox:Sandbox. Does this work?
x TimeShade (talk) 23:16, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
The background is live! While uploading the dark theme, I noticed that the main page is unreadable. This is due to the font color defaulting to a light color when it detects a dark colored content area. And currently, the theme can't detect if the text is on a light colored template, so you get white text on white background. For an easy fix, the font color in each section can be set to black, or the templates can be changed to alternate colors depending on light or dark skin. If you'd like the latter half, I can dive deeper into that!
x TimeShade (talk) 00:20, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Great, the templates are currently stationed here: The_Face_Off/Section. In order to best use alternating colors, the stylings should be shifted to using the "classes" instead of styles. For example, you can see on the template page, the template is:
<div style="display:block; border:1px solid #66BBFF; vertical-align:middle; width:100%;
background-color:#F9F9F9; margin-bottom:6px; margin-top:5px; padding-bottom:5px; padding-left:0px; padding-right:0px; -moz-border-radius:8px;">
This can be updated to be something like <div class="hockey-section" style="display:block;"></div>, and the stylings can be added in the CSS. A sample CSS (keeping the same colors for light skin) would be as follows:
.theme-fandomdesktop-dark .hockey-section {
	border:1px solid #050B1B;
	vertical-align:middle;
	width:100%;
	background-color:#121E38;
	margin-bottom:6px;
	margin-top:5px;
	padding-bottom:5px;
	padding-left:0px;
	padding-right:0px;
	-moz-border-radius:8px;
}

.theme-fandomdesktop-light .hockey-section {
	border:1px solid #66BBFF;
	vertical-align:middle;
	width:100%;
	background-color:#F9F9F9;
	margin-bottom:6px;
	margin-top:5px;
	padding-bottom:5px;
	padding-left:0px;
	padding-right:0px;
	-moz-border-radius:8px;
}
You can see a sample output on my sandbox here. The h2 should be customized with CSS also, but the sample principles apply. Does everything make sense?
x TimeShade (talk) 01:29, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Hello, just checking in again (and hope you've been enjoying the SCF so far, assuming you've been following this insane series), have you had the chance to implement the dark theme changes yet?
x TimeShade (talk) 04:27, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Well, we did indeed get some closer games, with Colorado eventually pulling ahead and winning! Just noticed there is some infoboxes may need some updating as well. If using the older infobox, which I see used around, then you can just add the color parameter to have a darker font color as I have done here. An alternative is to update the infoboxes to Portable Infoboxes. These are more mobile friendly versions of infoboxes, and allows for customization via CSS. If this is something you'd like to explore, I'd be willing to dive deeper into that.
x TimeShade (talk) 05:36, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
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